His four children who survived to apply for Social Security numbers all listed his name as Isaac HIBEL on their application forms. Family lore has it that the name was originally HUBEL (with an umlaut over the U).
However... all the documentation that we have says she was born between 1889 and 1893. If the family didn't come over until 1895 or 1896, she MUST have been born in Europe as the 1900 census notes! That, or she was several years younger than she claimed and the family lied about her birth year and location on the 1900 census (why would they do that?)... Or the family lied about their immigration date on the 1900 and 1910 censuses (why would they do that?). The simplest explanation is that the 1900 and 1910 censuses are correct regarding Laura's birthplace and birthdate, and the dates started getting fudged later on. BUT - we must get Louis, Isaac, and Harry's naturalization papers to see which it is.
No sign whatsoever of them in the Ellis Island or Canadian or even Hamburg passenger records for any year under any variation on the name HIBEL/HUBEL - have tried HIBEL, HEBEL, HUBEL, HYBEL, HYBAL, HUEBEL, HEUBEL. Even tried wildcards when allowed - H%B%L, H_B_L, H__B_L, even H_BLE. Nothing. I have also tried LEVINTHAL, LEVENTHAL, LOWENTHAL, LEVENBAUM, and variants. Nothing. Finally, I tried FORMAN and its variants. This may or may not have found a match (see below).You can try to search yourself via Steve Morse's Ellis Island Search Engine.
You can also try to search the Hamburg passenger lists directly.
Series M237, Roll 653, Vol. 164, Frame 814
ship Patria, sailing from Hamburg, arr. February 10, 18960062 FUHRMANN, Isucher - male, 36 merchant -> b. 1859, give or take a year
0063 Ides - female, 38 wife -> b. 1857, give or take a year
0064 Wite - female, 15, daughter -> b. 1880, give or take a year
0065 Leib - male, 9, son -> b. 1886, give or take a year
0066 Susel - female, 6, daughter -> b. 1889, give or take a year
0067 Leibke - female, 1y9m, daughter -> b. about May 1894, maybe a month or two earlier depending on when the ship launched
0068 Chajem - male, 1m, son -> b. on the ship? - Jan. 1896? Or born 1m before the ship started out?You can view the manifest directly via Steve Morse's boat search.
Isaac (b. April 1860, age 40, married 18 years, b. Poland, parents b. Poland, immigrated 1896, resided in this country 4 years, presser-clothing); says he was an alien (not yet naturalized)
1900 census: HIBEL, Isaac - Bessie; kids Louis, Lottie, Harry, Charles
Using Mapquest, I determined that 433 Rockaway Ave. is between Pitkin Ave. and Belmont Ave (much closer to Pitkin).
Thanks to Steve Morse's census ED ID program, I plugged in these street names to get the 1910 US Census ED for this address: 731. His program says this ED is on NARA Roll: T624_976 FHL Roll: 1374989.
Now, to check the 1910 census for this address to see if anyone we know is living there...
Continuing, I got the 1930 US Census ED for this address: 24-568. NARA Roll: T626_1543 FHL Roll: 2341278.
His program used the 1930 ED to determine that the 1920 US Census ED for this 1930 Census ED would be either 1500 or 1501.
You too can search the 1907-1924 Brooklyn Naturalization Record Index.
26th ward of Brooklyn. 119 Amboy Street.
Louis HIBEL, 23 years old, b. Russia; wife Rose (22?) and son Sydney (8 months old).
The 1910 census says Louis immigrated in 1895 and had already applied for his naturalization papers, and that Rose immigrated in 1890.
Click here to see these HIBELs in the 1910 Census. They're the second family from the top.
You too can search the 1907-1924 Brooklyn Naturalization Record Index.
You too can search the 1907-1924 Brooklyn Naturalization Record Index.
Louis (32 years), Rose (28 years), and Sidney (10 years) HIBLE (that spelling)
This one says he's 32 and was born in Russia; came over in 1905; naturalized in 1914. He couldn't have come over in 1905 if he was in the 1900 census. Other info seems to match, so I'm guessing it was a census taker's error and not a different Louis-Rose-Sidney family.
My great-grandma Laura is listed under her first of four husbands, my great-grandpa FARBER, Israel.
This census says she's 27 (ie. was born in 1892) and was born in NY.
NY KINGS 26-WD BROOKLYN BORO 1900
Series: T623 Roll: 1063 Page: 81
ED: 452
433 Rockaway Ave.
Bessie (b. July 1862, age 37, married 18 years, 6 children/4 living, b. Poland, parents b. Poland, immigrated 1896)
Louis, son (b. June 1886, age 13, b. Poland, parents b. Poland, immigrated 1896, at school)
Lottie, daughter (b. Aug. 1889, age 10, b. Poland, parents b. Poland, immigrated 1896, at school) - Zlotte/later went by Laura - my GGM
Harry, son (b. April 1896, age 4, b. NY, parents b. Poland) and
Charles, son (b. April 1898, age 2, b. NY, parents b. Poland)
Click here to see the map with a red star marking 433 Rockaway Ave.
His program alternately (an error, I believe) gave the ED as 23-731 and said this ED is on NARA Roll: T626_976 FHL Roll: 2340711, but another of his programs says this second ED is Jefferson County (23), not Kings (24) and that ED 23-731 does not exist...
H140, 19??
Dec. vol. ?, page ?
Pet. vol. 87 page 118
Isaac - Bessie HIBEL:
1910 census: HIFEL, Isac, Bessie; kids Laura, Harry, Charles, Etta
It's clearly HIBEL, not HIFEL, when you look at the image; transcriber goofed... But who is this "Morris Samuel cousin"? Never heard of him...
Louis HIBEL - new wife Rose JARRET(T):
H140, 1911
Dec. vol. 41, page 463
Pet. vol. 99, page 179
H140, 1914
Dec. vol. 93, page 480
Pet. vol. 126, page 107
...in a flu epidemic and is buried at Mt. Zion Cemetery in Maspeth NY, in the society Chevra Tifereth Bnei Jacob Anshei. His tombstone is almost unreadable but appears to say that he was 20-something when he died. His burial card says he was 20 years, 9 months, and 2 days old, giving him a birthdate of May 14, 1898.
1920 census: transcribed as HIBER, Isaac, Beckie, son Hary
New York , KINGS, BROOKLYN
Series: T625 Roll: 1182 Page: 41
22 Amboy Street
Hiber, Isaac Head 55 Marr emig'd 1895 PA RUS/YId RUS/YID RUS/YID no occupation
Beckie Wife 55 Marr emig'd 1895 AL RUS/YID " "
Harry Son 23 Single NY RUS/YID RUS/YID Agent Bisquit company
Spleigman(?), Simon Son in Law Marr 22 NY RUS/YID RUS/YID Foreman Candy
", Yetta daughter-law Marr 18 NY RUS/YID RUS/YID
Pretty sure the two who are shown living with them are newlywed daughter Etta (says "Yetta") and her husband Simon SPIEGELMAN (it seems to say SPLIEGMAN).
Unfortunately, this image that I got from Ancestry via my local library's account is tiny. I can't make out most of it. Would love a larger, clearer version...
38 Herzel Street, Brooklyn
E.D. 1514; 1780 Prospect Place.
This was looked up by a kind volunteer on the NY-CENSUS-LOOKUP mailing list at RootsWeb.com.
Year: 1930; Census Place: Brooklyn, Kings, New York;
Roll: T626_1537; Page: 9B; Enumeration District: 853; Image: 0686
Lines 78-82
Lived 2301 Bedford Avenue Brooklyn NY
Simon SPIEGELMAN: head MW 32/married age 22/b NY-parents b.Russia/proprietor
Auto Accessory store.
Etta wife FW 29/married age 19/b.NY-parents b.Austria/
Gladys dtr. FW 9 b.NY
Charles son MW 6 b.NY
Rita dtr. FW 2 b. NY
Name: Simon SPIEGELMAN
Age: 32 years
Estimated birth year: 1897
Birthplace: New York
Relation to Head-of-house: Head
Race: White
Home in 1930: Brooklyn, Kings, New York
...and is buried at Mt. Zion Cemetery in Maspeth NY, Cg. Tef. Bn. Jac. Rabbi Meyer Premishlaner. His tombstone says he was the son of Zvi Hirsch and that he was 77 years old (ie. was born in 1858). The burial card says he was 71 years and change (ie. was born in 1864). Quite a range, although typing "71" instead of "77" or vice-versa isn't unheard of. Before he died, he was living in Richmond Hill NY.
On it, he lists his birthdate as May 1887 and his birthplace as Lemberg, Austria. He gives his mother's maiden name as Bessie FORMAN. He lists his address as 7314 17th Avenue, Brooklyn and was then working for the A&T Dress Company on Seventh Avenue in NYC.
On it, he lists his birthdate as April 1896 and his birthplace as Brooklyn. He gives his mother's maiden name as Bessie FORMAN. He gives himself the middle name Louis, which would be unusual since he has a living older brother named Louis. He lists his address as 4205 Bedford Avenue, Brooklyn and was then working for Ft. Hamilton Auto Supply on Coney Island Avenue in Brooklyn.
...and is buried at Mt. Zion Cemetery in Maspeth NY, Cg. Tef. Bn. Jac. Rabbi Meyer Premishlaner, next to her husband Isaac. Her tombstone says she was the daughter of Israel and died at age 88 (ie. was born in 1861). Her burial card says she was 82 years old (ie. was born in 1867). Again, quite a date range.
On it, she lists her birthdate as February 1901 and her birthplace as Brooklyn. She gives her mother's maiden name as Bessie LOWENTHAL. She is living at 7 Monroe Street in Brentwood NY (on Long Island) and runs a liquor store on Suffolk Avenue in Brentwood.
Here she says she was born in September 1892 in New London, CT. The marriage certificate was registered in August 1971. The couple was living in the Bronx at the time.
On it, she lists her birthdate as September 1892 in one place on the form and 1893 in another and her birthplace as New London CT. She gives her mother's maiden name as Bessie LEVENTHAL.
